faulknej - Posted - 07/24/2012:  07:23:46. You can approach the situation geometrically, arithmetically, or artistically . Tuners can be guitar style which stick out the sides of the neck or they can be planetary style which stick out the back of the neck. The depth of the nut notches aren't cut according to tone.Their (the notches) size and angle do control tone and accuracy,though. 'Trade Stelling Sunflower for Stelling Crusader' 7 min, 'Tune of The Week for Friday, November 27th, 2020: Porter's Reel' 3 hrs. 5. I am having alot of tuning problems and intonation problems when I capo and start fretting strings. uncle.fogey - Posted - 07/24/2012:  11:46:45. The desired amount of bow is equal to somewhere between 1/64" and 1/32", or about the thickness of a heavy gauge fourth string.  ARCHIVED TOPIC: nut slot height, action and relief, Please note this is an archived topic, so it is locked and unable to be replied to. I read Bryan Kimsey's website, and I am in complete agreement. I think you meant some other measurement greater than .018 at the 7th fret. http://www.banjohangout.org/archive/240867, 'Trade Stelling Sunflower for Stelling Crusader', 'Tune of The Week for Friday, November 27th, 2020: Porter's Reel'. Then he has to try it on for fit, and if it still needs some "tweeking", working together, a very personal set of adjustment parameters are reached, that result in a great set-up that fits that particular person. I may still finish and post my diagrams, which essentially illustrate what he has said in his treatise, and I don't want to copy him. This distance is measured from the top of the 7th fret to a straight line going between the tops of the 1st and 22nd frets. The nut is where the strings are aligned before they travel down the fingerboard of the banjo. Wikibuy Review: A Free Tool That Saves You Time and Money, 15 Creative Ways to Save Money That Actually Work. Both of the setups are playable -- but for different string gauges and different people. A perfectly flat neck has no buzzing - anyway, I was interested to see their specifications, which I will use in what I am working on. Tuners . As you know, there is a lot of confusion regarding zero frets or fret-height nut slots vs raising the nut, and flat necks vs relief. If I assumed it was an even arc from the 20th fret to the nut, I'd be wrong. With my picking style, and the fact that I use strings of lighter gauge than the Stelling standard, I was getting buzzing on the middle frets, even thought the nominal "action height" at the 12th fret was 1/8". I've been down a similar road. You can adjust a banjo nut with a few simple hand tools and a lot of patience. I like how a pearl nut gives my open strings a more similar tone to the fretted notes. They say this is "necessary" for not having buzzing, which is not true. Click to browse current inventory! After gathering all the information I can, I try to conjure up a set-up that I think might work for that player. Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright 2020 Banjo Hangout. . That doesn't work out right. A good repairman, has to be a good detective. Click to browse current inventory! As I recall, he uses heavier strings than I do. steve davis - Posted - 07/24/2012:  15:24:30. Start by removing one string from the groove in the banjo nut and begin running a small file through the groove at a right angle to the tilted head stock of the banjo. Then its my job to get their instrument in the best playability and delivering the tone they want based on their input, uncle.fogey - Posted - 07/17/2012:  13:18:53. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. I'm GUESSING they are figuring that at the 8th fret, but in reality, the greatest dip in the bow would be at around the 5th fret. This is a GREAT treatise he has done - it should be required reading for everyone. Have nut replaced by luthiers. We always capo the 1st fret/fret the 22nd when talking relief. I spend a lot of time talking to people, and fishing details out of them, that they don't even realize they know. Gene Warner repairman, steve davis - Posted - 07/24/2012:  12:25:52. Let's look at the Stelling standard. Tighten and tune the string while listening for any signs of fret buzz. For an arithmetic explanation, go to Bryan Kimsey's site:   bryankimsey.com/, Then click "Lutherie" at the left, then click "Neck relief" under "Discussion.". The height of the strings above the 1st fret should be as low as possible to not buzz and the 4 strings should be the same height above the fret for accurate capoing and fretted lower notes.  Banjo Building, Setup, and Repair That doesn't tell you the depth of the nut slots. If you scroll down to the bottom of the set-up sequence, they have a list. steve davis - Posted - 07/24/2012:  09:46:54, Some run their Stelling relief into the .020s, uncle.fogey - Posted - 07/24/2012:  10:35:29. I think when you bend the neck upward with a truss rod (relief) the curve is mostly between the nut and the 6th fret, where the neck is thinner, so I'm having a little trouble plotting that curve. Of course, if you have a backbow or a twist, forget it. Now this is not unusual by itself;  however, coupled with the high relief of .028 or so it results in the fact that the string angle coming off the frets in the middle area of frets 5-12 is effectively very low. Begin by taking accurate measurements of the fret height on your banjo neck. So I lowered the relief to about .020-.022, this lowered the action height. The increments are miniscule, and while this is very interesting to me (and probably others) vis-a-vis setup, I'm afraid nobody will be able to see anything if I post these. Once measured, arrange a set of feeler gauges to this height and then add another very thin feeler gauge to the top of the stack. Using a small file, the string grooves in the banjo nut can be deepened to allow the strings to ride closer to the banjo neck. I have a Stelling, and began with Mr. Geoff''s guidelines at first. A couple of things I have read so far that back up what I have always thought: "Notice that the mid-neck actions are quite a bit higher with greater neck relief. Now, the string angle coming off the 5-12 frets is greater, and the buzzing is gone. Always start by checking the bow in the neck. Note that the 12th fret action is identical in each case- it's the constant in this experiment. Turning the nut clockwise tightens it and flattens the neck (decreases neck bow). Clyde RF - Posted - 07/24/2012:  23:08:29. I am in the process of building a banjo right now, and I was able to string it up and play it yesterday, but I think I have the nut way too high. What are the standard preferred measurements for: (1) String height above the fingerboard at the nut (a normal fret is .035"), (2) String height above the 5th fret, no relief, (3) String height above the 5th fret with relief, (4) String height above the 12th fret with no relief. Nut slot is too deep: The bottom of the string should be 1/16” above the fingerboard at the nut. It would appear that you folks have nut adjustment down to a fair thee well, and that's a fact to inspire considerable confidence. I can see how this approach might be less efficient than a mathematical one, but it can still be used as a check to determine whether things are as they should be. That would be out of the galaxy for me, but there you go - someone is recommending that as a good height - different strokes for different folks. Begin by taking accurate measurements of the fret height on your banjo neck. Weekly newsletter includes free lessons, favorite member content, banjo news and more. #1 is "neck bow, and they say .028" + or - .006". He points out that raising the nut can eliminate "back buzzing", but of course, that is meaningless if you are using a capo or have a longneck. And so I readjusted the action (raising it)  to maintain it at 1/8" at the 12th fret. It pretty much depends on the head tension/string size preference for a good playing neck adjustment. "Standard" and "preferred" may mean two different things for some. He ALSO correctly understands that the low point of the curve is at the 5th-7th fret, not in the middle. Hundreds of quality new and used banjos available. Using a small file, the string grooves in the banjo nut can be deepened to allow the strings to ride closer to the banjo neck. I'm trying to use a computer and in a greatly enlarged scale, plot out exactly what happens at various frets when the neck is dead straight (maybe only theoretically possible), and then what happens when you give it .028 upbow - then what happens when you fret a string. .003" may not seem like much, but it can mean the difference between buzzing or not. Once measured, a set of feeler gauges stacked to the proper height is placed on the fingerboard of the banjo neck directly behind the nut. You may, however, start a new topic and refer to this topic with a link: http://www.banjohangout.org/archive/240867, uncle.fogey - Posted - 07/16/2012:  16:30:33. uncle.fogey - Posted - 07/24/2012:  10:36:56. Adjustment is made by tightening or loosening the truss rod nut found under an access cover on the top side of the peghead. All Forums He has already done what I am working on, so I really don't have to continue on with all the measurements. Now we can start to see how all the measurements and settings have to work together, for total playability.

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